Overpopulation Myth – Projecting Fear

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from 1800 to 1900 the population of the
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united states increased over
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1,300% in the world in the same time
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frame the population increased 60% now
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there's a number of factors that can
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explain this increase but imagine if
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you're living in one single nation where
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every 100 years your population will
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increase by over 1,000% you'll suddenly
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be dealing with the looming spectre of
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overpopulation crowded cities and
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nightmares of living in extremely
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crowded cities that might cause many of
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us to long for a return to peaceful and
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serene rural areas but what is the real
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story behind this process of
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overpopulation how exactly does it occur
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why is it we have some people that are
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conditioned to live in very cramped
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urban areas and yet others that would
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never accept it why do we also have
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places such as ireland where somehow we
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had a great population increase
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subsisting on potatoes alone with an
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unfortunate system what's the real story
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behind hive cities and how do they play
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into the nightmare of
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overpopulation we go back to the 1960s
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the novel make room make room by harry
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harrison of course a science fiction
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novel written in the 1960s to warn about
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overpopulation but how exactly does
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overpopulation occur and what would be
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the nuances of living in such a
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civilization that have allowed it to
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happen what's really the nightmare
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behind it and why is it something that
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we would not want to find ourselves
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locked within every single day harry
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harrison claims that he got the idea to
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write the novel make room make room by
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talking with a man from india who had
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warned him about the dangers of
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overpopulation there's even a comical
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portion where the man also told harry
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that perhaps he should invest in rubber
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and some sort of form of contraceptives
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in order to prevent overpopulation from
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occurring
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but it is intriguing to think of the
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fact that according to recent figures
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that the population of india has
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surpassed china as being the most
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populous nation in the land and there
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are well doumented reports and if
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anybody's watching that is from india
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what's your perception of life in a land
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where there is a very extensive
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population there are certain areas in
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the western world as we think of it
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where there are extremely populated
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cities but certainly nothing to the
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point of reaching overpopulation
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although it's safe to say that there are
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certain people that are willing to live
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in certain areas with unique conditions
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that you may not have in other areas
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right now at least you still have the
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individual choice for the most part in
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terms of what you're going to live with
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and what you're going to deal with every
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single day but why are we focused on
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overpopulation we look in the growth of
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india's share of world population and we
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see how since 1800 the world population
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stated to be around a billion and now
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here in 2025 it's increased to over 8
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billion that's still only an 800% growth
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over 200 years and here we see how india
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has grown in its own population and how
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it comprises a portion of the world
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population the film soilent green from
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the early 1970s was adapted from
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harrison's novel make room make room and
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if you really want to see how to do a
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title sequence and integrated into your
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movie watch shylant green without a
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single word of dialogue but merely using
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historical pictures this film conveys
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the narrative that it's telling of this
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terrifying situation of how
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usage resource waste and a crumbling
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civilization creates this terrifying
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situation of
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overpopulation we don't know the exact
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details behind it but the pictures paint
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a very staggering story soilent green is
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set in new york city and that is no
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coincidence it's set in the year 2022
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remember that it's made in the early '7s
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so really you're looking at 50 years
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later and the population of new york
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city is stated to be 40 million
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certainly far more than what the current
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population of new york city although if
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you look at the population count for the
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united states and make room make room
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the original novel it's quite similar to
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what the current population count for
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the united states is stated to be in the
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film soilent green we see that there is
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a wealthy class here we see the
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character of simonson who's actually one
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of the leading members of the soylent
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green board what's happened in this
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particular world is that a situation of
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overpopulation has been allowed to
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persist and soilent is the only food
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processed from soy as we understand it
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that the entire population can consume
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the film documents the efforts of police
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detective thorne portrayed by charlton h
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along with his book or assigned academic
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portrayed by edward g robinson as soul
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who helps him investigate simson's
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murder and thorne comes to the
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conclusion that simson's murder was in
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fact an assassination we see a very
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staggering and dystopian world and it's
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incredible that they were able to
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achieve a lot of these shots in the
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early 1970s given the limitation of
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special effects it involved a lot of
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creative filmm techniques and you get
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this idea that this is an impress or an
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impressive decaying civilization how
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exactly did this state of overpopulation
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come to be we see that the police are
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very undere equipped and thorne even
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addressing matters with his superior
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chief hatcher tries to come to the
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conclusion that well it's another murder
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and we have hundreds every day that are
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going unsolved and this one is going to
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be unsolved in fact the only thing the
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police seem equipped for in this
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particular world is dealing with
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riots we see some of the struggles that
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police detective thorne goes through in
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trying to ascertain exactly who's behind
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the murder of simonson questioning his
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bodyguard tab and the film of course
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makes it clear that tab is working for
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somebody else who did in fact set up to
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have simson assassinated but what's
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really going on behind the scenes why is
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there so much elaborate ps being
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displayed we see the manner of life in
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every detail when thorne has to hop over
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bodies virtually every time he goes up
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and down the stairs in the film and i
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think that's one of those little details
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that just shows you how terrifying and
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dystopian life in an overpop populated
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land could really
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be why is it that this situation was
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allowed to endure in the land oh and
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every single building that has quarters
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in it has an armed guard another little
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detail that the film gets exactly right
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you do get some hints though that there
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was a more built-up civilization when
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you look in some of the background
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images and some of the skylines that
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show you that there are some elements of
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more advanced technology but for the
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most part you see that everything is in
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a state of decay and squalor the other
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interesting thing is that even the elite
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of this civilization while they can
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afford actual food the quality of that
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food whether it's meat or vegetables is
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really not very good and yet they're
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paying over $200 a jar for strawberries
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and hundreds of dollars for meat the
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vast majority of the population subsist
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on what's called soylent here you see
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soylent green there's soylent yellow and
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soilent red but soilent green is the
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most tasty of these menu options we also
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see the fact that the concept of
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civilization has regressed quite a bit
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most of the people that thorne talked to
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namely the women who live in some of the
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apartments are actually referred to as
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furniture in other words they're either
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assigned to the apartment or assigned to
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a person of importance and essentially
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as the name implies they have been
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reduced to the state of property
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simonson's own furniture who's actually
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assigned to the apartment shir has very
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limited options he can treat her any way
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that he wants to although she claims
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that he was very kind to her and was
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never a violent man thorne's
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investigation makes it clear that this
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seems to be the expectation and that
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shir has virtually no human rights
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however what are her options if she
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doesn't stay as a piece of furniture
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she'll be denied the privileges of air
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conditioning running water we even see
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thorne take advantage of the privileges
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that simson had in his high living
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status now thorne does have his own
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place something that the vast majority
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of the population that we see in the
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film doesn't have most people are
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reduced to simply sleeping on the stairs
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we understand that this is a very
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terrifying civilization and society but
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how exactly did it come into being we
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don't really know the exact details and
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i think that's part of the brilliance of
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this film it gives you some hints and it
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gives you some indications about how
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things happened your understanding is
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that it was simply a state of decay that
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occurred ah yes tuesday is soilent green
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day i always wondered why tuesday was
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such a bad day for me it was always
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meeting day but wow tuesday is soilent
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green day the understanding the film
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gives you is that there is sufficient
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soilent yellow and soilent red for the
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population to subsist on but it has no
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flavor but on tuesday you have soilent
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green and that is the food that actually
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has the flavor that's well let's be
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honest worth rioting for when they just
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happen to run out of soilent green on
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tuesday you also see the fact that every
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single person has to go and get their
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water ration every day and if they don't
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get this water ration then they're going
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to die the dialogue makes it very clear
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when soul the book or the educated
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former professor who works with charlton
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h or thorne's character that if they
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don't get their water they are going to
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die what a status of living that this is
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that these people accept this where
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they're just strewn about across the
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street and the best part of their entire
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life is on tuesday when they get their
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soilent green and that's really about
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all they have to look forward to the
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vast majority of the population is
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unemployed and no one really seems to
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have any purpose everyone is completely
How did it happen?
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and entirely dependent on the government
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at all levels in this dystopian
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civilization yet there's a much more
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terrifying revelation that does come
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later in the film and no it's not the
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obvious revelation that is associated
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with this film and spoiler if you
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haven't heard of it soilent green is
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people there's actually something much
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worse behind it for example when
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detective thorne is put on riot control
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duty because the supply of soilent green
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is exhausted now when you see later the
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process and logistics that go behind
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soilent green for example the police
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force doesn't even have vehicles thorne
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doesn't have his own vehicle he has to
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walk or hitch a ride on one of the body
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disposal dump trucks there are dump
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trucks though that are brought in for
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riot control when fortuitously they run
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out of soilent green of course how could
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they ever run out of it it was a mistake
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in transportation the characters say in
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the film but you suddenly realize that
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it seems to have been an induced
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situation to cause the population to
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riot so the dump trucks could show up
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and haul off the people and you suddenly
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understand what happens to these people
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later in the film once they've been
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hauled off in the dump trucks now of
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course the authorities don't care if
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these people are injured or killed when
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they're thrown in the back and you could
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certainly argue what's the practicality
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of throwing someone in a dump truck it's
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more symbolic in the film certainly they
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could innovate better ways to just haul
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and detain people and then take them off
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to be processed at these processing
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facilities or the soilent factories but
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it really shows you how the entire value
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of human life has dwindled to zero
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there's a very powerful scene that i'm
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not even going to show a picture of
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where detective thorne comes across a
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mother who has died in front of a church
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and still has her child who's still
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alive tied to her arm by a rope now he
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unties the child and takes it into the
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church but he's very callous about the
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whole thing in fact every time you see
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any character interactions occurring
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within structures that are not
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controlled structures such as the
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soilent factory you see that they're
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just strewn about with bodies there's
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just so many people and you really have
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to ask that question how exactly would
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the nightmare of overpopulation really
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come into a state of being because you
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think about it a lack of resources would
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prevent overpopulation from occurring
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the only thing that thorne himself
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witnesses as being a true fact is that
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yes the bodies in the soilent factories
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are processed into soilent green and
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soilent green as he says at the end of
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the film is people he does talk about in
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dialogue with cheryl that he's only been
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outside of the city once and only seen
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the countryside once but he's not
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allowed to leave the city nobody is
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she's not even allowed to leave her
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building yet later when he witnesses his
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friend soul who decides to commit
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intentional euthanasia to escape this
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dystopian world he makes it clear that
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he's never actually been outside the
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city when he sees some of the imagery
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and says "i had no idea i had no idea
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the world could be this beautiful or was
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this beautiful anywhere you understand
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that his entire life he's only seen this
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terrifying city." and the film ends with
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him being dragged away trying to reveal
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to the world that soilent green is
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people but the great revelation of the
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film is that the authorities in this
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film created this situation this
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overpopulation was by design you have
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total control of the population take the
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character of shur for example she's
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furniture she's a slave she knows it but
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her only option is to either stay in
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that apartment or be dragged away and
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live with all the other bodies sleeping
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across the stairway we go from the film
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soilent green to look at the film series
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and story series judge dread and yes of
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course i prefer the carl urban version
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nothing against sylvester sloan but i
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appreciated the fact that in the more
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recent film they never took judge dre
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judge dread's helmet off in the judge
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dread universe from the original comics
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and it's interesting to think this has
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been around since the 1970s there is a
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series of mega cities that exist across
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the land the world has been scorched by
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nuclear war or some other fire from the
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sky as it were and here you have another
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dystopian mentality of how
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overpopulation can occur because you
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have limited geographical areas such as
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mega city 1 which is where the judge
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dread stories are centered and again
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corresponding with the location of new
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york city h that place sure seems to
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come up a lot doesn't it within these
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mega cities you have these areas that
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did survive this atomic war but once
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again you have total
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overpopulation a large population that's
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cramped in the cities now take this back
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to what we just looked at with soilent
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green we understand that the characters
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in that film never actually left the
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city to include the main character
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portrayed by charlton h detective thorne
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and so they have no idea what life is
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like outside the city what i'm getting
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at is that if somebody is cramped into a
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large building or a monad which is a
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term that author robert silverberg would
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use to describe one of these large
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buildings although there's many
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different terms for them herbs and so on
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and so forth these incredible city
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towers and what you'll see depicted very
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wonderfully in judge dread especially
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the most recent film is a very large
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population an entire society and
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civilization living in these towers you
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also have a total authoritarian law the
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judges are both judge jury and
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executioner and they also act as primary
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law enforcement soldiers and have
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virtually every other role in the
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guardians of society they have total
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authority and what you see is how they
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exercise that total authority now since
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judge dread has appeared in the stories
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and in the films there's an argument
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that goes on is judge dread merely a
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total fascist someone that uses total
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authoritarianism to maintain control and
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the direct answer to that could be yes
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when you have overpopulation like this a
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situation that has to be created because
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it could not arise naturally and that's
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perhaps the greatest terror of
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overpopulation it is done by design it
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has to happen because the authorities
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that be in these fictional worlds that
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we're looking at created it because if
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you left the population to its own
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devices well people would die there'd be
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a lack of resources people would die the
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population would decrease there would be
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conflict people would die the population
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would decrease and to say nothing about
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the health system yet what we see in
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these films both judge red and soilent
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green and by the way one thing i'll give
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credit for in soilent green is it does
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tell you in the details how exactly the
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situation of overpopulation would occur
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for example going back to soilent green
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when detective thorne hooks up with
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cheryl and just has a very casual
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relationship with her you understand
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that's exactly the norm for the society
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and even in the original novel make room
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make room and in robert silverberg's the
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world inside it's a different society
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think about that how the different
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institutions of society in these
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dystopian lands of
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overpopulation encourage the situation
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to happen and you understand how it
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becomes an incredible controlling
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mechanism that is the real revelation
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behind all of these stories it's not
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soilent green is people it's that the
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people are under total control because
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the situation of overpopulation has been
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intentionally created they have no other
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options
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every time they go out in the city every
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single day they see people strewn about
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all over the place they understand that
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could be them any moment of any day
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interestingly enough detective thorne
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continues investigating the murder of
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simonson even when he's ordered to stop
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just because he's concerned he's going
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to lose his job and he doesn't want to
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lose his rather modest and small
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apartment that he shares with the
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character of soul going back to the
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judge dread series in the mega cities
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there's all kinds of dystopian
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mentalities that occur we have people
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that are d died and reprocessed into
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food we have other terrifying forms of
Building to house as many as possible
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food that are used to sustain the
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population we also have the concept of
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the population being uneducated being
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unable to read it's interesting to think
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about that's also being depicted in
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soilent green where detective thorne is
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paired up with an individual called a
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book a former professor and what talent
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does this book have he can read and he
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can do analytical processes in his mind
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you realize that while detective thorne
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is actually a police detective he
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doesn't have that ability he actually
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has to interface with another individual
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solomon roth in the film to even conduct
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police investigations
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it's really intriguing to think about
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that you see these little details in
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these films and these stories about how
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this dystopian civilization of
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overpopulation occurs you see the
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individual that's been stripped of their
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ability to even interface within the
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civilization they are completely and
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totally helpless they have no other
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options they have no other resources the
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ability to interface as an individual
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making their own decisions or even
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within the civilization has been
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stripped away and if you want to read
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one of the very best judge dread stories
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the one that i recommend that really
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tells you the truth about the dystopian
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nature of that world is the story of
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america and it tells you the truth
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behind the character of judge dread and
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what the situation really is in mega
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city 1 going back to the concept though
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of monads or herbmons as they were
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called from another science fiction
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novel written by robert silverberg where
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we see this principle of these gigantic
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high-rise buildings in the novel the
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world inside where the majority of the
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world population is forced to live
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within and if you read this novel it
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actually spells out exactly how this
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situation came into being and how it's
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maintained every single day the society
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says that everyone is supposed to
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procreate every day everyone is supposed
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to be open to sexual activity and this
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is what keeps the population growing the
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entire population lives in these
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gigantic urban monads yes and of course
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when you consider what exactly does the
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term monad come from well it comes from
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manadnock a natural terrain feature that
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just happens to resemble something we'll
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get to that in a little bit but imagine
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these gigantic highrises where hundreds
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thousands millions of people live with
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them the novels even make it clear that
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the farmers and the people that live in
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the cities don't speak the same language
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author frank herbert also did a novel a
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dystopian novel about the concept of
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overpopulation called the dosedai
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experiment frank herbert was the author
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of dune the most popular science fiction
20:52
series of all time and in the dossedai
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experiment he talks about a group of
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aliens that decide to put humans and
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aliens in a very small geographical area
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and induce intentional overpopulation
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and to observe the effects as though
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it's some sort of experiment now how
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exactly does all this connect to the old
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world well in our explorations what
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we've come across is there seems to be a
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lot of evidence that there were
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incredibly large and complex cities that
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were built up and may well have been
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overpop populated now i've certainly
21:29
never been under the mindset that the
21:30
civilization of the old world was
21:32
utopian and i've never suggested that
21:35
now if you want to believe that or if
21:36
you want to think that in places be my
21:38
guest i do believe there were times that
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they achieved a better state of balance
21:42
between the individual and the society
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but at no point in time do i believe
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that they ever achieved a state of
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utopia if you think about it it's really
21:50
a false pursuit anyway because how could
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you actually create a civilization
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that's perfect to every single
21:56
individual all of us have different
21:58
desires and different goals but you can
22:01
try to balance that but it does seem to
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be that in the past there were
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structures and there were great cities
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that were quite dystopian is it possible
22:10
that during their darker times in the
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old world that they had decided to
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actually do things that we've witnessed
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in these science fiction films of
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inducing overpopulation as a means of
22:23
control or just simply as an
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experimental means as we see frank
22:28
herbert wrote about in the dosedai
22:29
experiment what happens when you crowd
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so many people into very cramped
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conditions and yet they're still
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sustained in other words they don't die
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off because of the conditions that
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you've cramped them into they manage to
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sustain and in fact even increase the
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population what happens and how do these
22:48
people change recall that earlier in the
22:51
channel we did explore the concept of
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hive cities and again you can look at
22:56
these as another analogy with what we
22:57
looked at in new york city and soilent
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green and the mega cities from judge
23:01
dread the hive cities very well could
23:03
have been something from the past that
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did in fact exist now you're going to
23:07
ask well what's the remaining physical
23:09
evidence we'll get to that in a moment
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because there may well be physical
23:13
evidence out there that these hive
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cities did in fact
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exist and what were these hive cities a
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series of herbons or urban monads
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gigantic buildings that stretch to the
23:24
very sky a hierarchical society although
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one of the other questions that we have
23:28
from judge dread is do the elite really
23:31
even escape this mentality we've even
23:34
had modern designs granted just designs
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as we understand it of things such as
23:38
the ultima tower which if we look at
23:42
what the ultima tower really is it seems
23:44
to be an actual design for a real life
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urban monad from robert silverberg's
23:50
book and of course the ultima tower was
23:53
supposed to be built in san francisco
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but then compare and contrast with how
23:57
the ultima tower in terms of shape
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compares with the concept of the hive
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cities that we've looked at especially
24:03
from the warhammer 40k franchise and
24:07
suddenly you see many overlapping
24:09
parallels many similarities many
24:12
disturbing concepts for how people would
24:14
be forced to live in a dystopian world
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and many people would simply believe
24:18
that's their only option well resources
24:21
have diminished and yet somehow the
24:24
population is still increasing i better
24:26
do as i'm told or i'll lose my job and
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i'll be living on the lowest level of
24:30
society literally and figuratively so
24:33
they really flash it in your face when
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you live in these dystopian worlds why
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would anybody design something such as
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the ultima tower what would really be
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the purpose behind it how would we even
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go about constructing such a thing now
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i'm oftenimes amazed at how people tell
24:48
us in the comments about what's possible
24:50
and what's impossible well if we could
24:53
go to the moon back in the 1970s and we
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don't go to the moon now because we
24:58
decide not to why couldn't we build a
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structure such as this that's 10,000 m
25:03
tall we just simply need to put the
25:05
effort into it we just simply need to
25:08
plan it out and make it happen is this
25:10
really a design that somebody submitted
25:12
as a concept or is this merely reviving
25:15
a design that came from the past could
25:18
someone build an ultimate tower in san
25:20
francisco now i haven't been on the
25:22
ground in san francisco since 2012 but
25:23
as i understand it there's well let's
25:25
just say there's some challenges with
25:27
the surface area perhaps building a
25:30
gigantic tower or what becomes a hive
25:32
city is a way to escape this maybe what
25:35
we're seeing did actually happen in the
25:37
past and yet there are references to
25:41
things such as the ultimate tower that
25:43
did happen for example the tower of
25:46
babel now a lot of people will say well
25:48
you didn't interpret the bible properly
25:51
but why are there all these different
25:52
accounts about the tower of babel and it
25:55
does go beyond the bible there are other
25:57
accounts that state that a very large
25:59
tower was constructed in the past now
Evidence of Remains
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was this really the tower of babylon or
26:04
was this the tower of some other
26:05
civilization entirely a lot of the
26:08
illustrations that we have and a lot of
26:10
the details and some of the other
26:12
accounts from these details give us the
26:14
indication that these were colossal
26:17
structures that these were real life
26:19
versions of what we saw in design
26:21
concept with the ultimate tower but
26:24
understand that the ultimate tower is
26:27
just supposed to be an architectural
26:29
concept no one's really looking to build
26:31
an ultimate tower but in the past did
26:34
somebody build a tower of babel a tower
26:37
that reached to the very sky a tower
26:40
that just happens to have all the same
26:42
features that we looked at with this
26:43
dystopian concept of these urban
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monads and was there only one tower or
26:50
were there many towers that appeared in
26:53
this distant past or was it really such
26:56
a distant past as we've been as we've
26:58
been led to believe could there be some
27:01
other entire series of stories and
27:03
historical accounts that were missing
27:05
that might tell a much more disturbing
27:07
story about how far humanity had fallen
27:11
in the past and what's the evidence that
27:13
these urban monads may have once really
27:16
existed well we call them manodnox which
27:20
just happened to be the origin of the
27:22
name of the monads a mannock being a
27:26
natural terrain feature and it may well
27:28
be a natural terrain feature but yet it
27:31
somehow just seems to resemble if you
27:34
use your imagination or don't a very
27:37
large foundation structure now again i'm
27:41
not suggesting that these are
27:43
definitively buildings or the remains of
27:45
structures they just look like they may
27:49
be but it's ultimately up to you to
27:51
decide what these could be and i'm
27:53
certainly open-minded to the fact that
27:55
maybe these aren't the remnants of
27:57
colossal structures at all maybe they
27:59
represent something else incredible mega
28:02
flora and mega fauna of the distant past
28:04
and you may recall in our colossal trees
28:06
exploration perhaps that's what they may
28:08
have been now of course the mainstream
28:11
assures us that's not the case these are
28:13
all natural geological rock formations
28:16
these are volcanoes or there's some
28:18
other very reasonable explanation behind
28:21
these mennox there just happen to be
28:24
quite a few of them many more of them
28:26
than you might well be aware of and it
28:29
seems to be that there are many that
28:31
remain in existence across all the major
28:34
continents that are actually populated
28:36
at least all the major continents that
28:38
we talk about every time we do
28:40
explorations but what's really the story
28:43
behind this was there an
28:46
overpopulation process and policy that
28:48
occurred in the past was it an
28:51
indication of just how far the old world
28:54
had fallen in its darkest times and
28:57
where exactly did this fear that we have
28:59
overpopul come from certainly we
29:01
understand that in more recent times our
29:04
fear is not overpopulation well unless
29:06
you live in india or china but
29:08
everywhere else we're concerned about
29:11
underpopulation or does it really matter
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are the numbers that were given even
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that
29:16
accurate what do you see what do you
29:19
witness every day when you live life and
29:21
perhaps that was the greatest terror of
29:22
the film soilent green and the elements
29:25
that we see of the city in judge dread
29:27
everyday life is affected and terrifying
29:30
by
29:31
overpopulation but what are your
29:33
thoughts did this really occur in the
29:35
past or is this just all a coincidence
29:37
is this just all from the imagination of
29:40
writers well thank you for joining me
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